As a European I always wonder why Americans don’t create an alternative party to the Democrats, after all it is the party that in 2016 cheated in the primaries so that Hillary would win and still lost to an idiot. If you create a real left-wing party you can seriously propose things like socialized healthcare just as the right is not shy about proposing crazy things like banning abortion.
The only difference is that they have been successful in colonizing the Republican Party and the Democratic Party is simply an outdated instrument that no longer represents its own bases.
On the one hand, he fumbled his words a few times pretty poorly. On the other hand, he didn’t spend an hour blatantly lying.
I was watching CNN’s coverage. I thought Biden did alright, asides from a few notable blunders that he recovered from. CNN’s coverage made it sound like he needed to have his adult diapers changed mid question.
It’s crazy how they’re completely ignoring any substance of the debate and solely focusing on appearances. It’s almost like that’d favour a populist candidate or something.
I thought Biden did alright
He just didn’t. In any other previous cycle, it would not have been considered acceptable. The bar has gotten very low.
Biden looked senile, and Trump looked like regular, crazy Trump. The senility will do more for voters than Trump being Trump.
Exactly, people expect Trump to be Trump, but they expect Biden to not be senile.
What a sorry state of affairs.
Yeah Trump spent an hour blatantly lying.
But people believe him.
That’s not a win.
you are trying to gaslight me. i want the democrats to win so we don’t have trump, and they’re voluntarily trotting out this fucking corpse.
sure, it shouldn’t be about appearances, but it is, because that’s how most people interpret the debates (especially because it’s part of the job for politicians to lie and that isn’t exactly a meaningful shock at this point). that’s the worst i’ve ever seen anybody do in a debate in my life.
I fucking despise Biden for his policy in Palestine. If there was any reasonable chance that they could switch candidates now and still have a shot, I’d totally agree with you.
I think he’s way too old to be president, but I’m sorry to say you’re stuck with a shit decision, and one that’s been engineered to help work against our best interests.
I fully get where you’re coming from, but I’m not trying to gaslight you.
fucking despise Biden for his policy in Palestine
I’m not an American and even I know it is not his policy. It is a result of decades of US-Israel relationships with all kinds of ties between the two countries and has far too many stakeholders than just the head of the state.
Not even Bernie could’ve managed to navigate this shit situation properly.
is not his policy.It is a result of decades of US-Israel relationships with all kinds of ties between the two countries
Yeah it is. Obama said about the Cuban Embargo that “these 50 years have shown that isolation has not worked”, so he changed longstanding policy.
Meanwhile, letting Israel do whatever the fuck they want to Palestinians for 75 years hasn’t made the treatment more just (duh) or the region more stable and peaceful, and the majority of the population realizes that now.
People are demanding of Biden and the rest of the Dem leadership, which are the people with the power to do so, to change the awful status quo of total deference to a fascist apartheid regime and Biden et al are risking the election and thus American democracy by refusing to listen to the people who they are supposed to represent.
An embargo on a small island nation has nothing in common with a key strategic ally in the middle east. Why are we comparing these two? Are you for real now
It has one thing in common and that’s the thing I was referring to:
In both cases, the president has the power to change bad policy, no matter how longstanding.
Obama chose to make the right choice under little to no pressure (except from people adamant that he should do the opposite) while Biden is insisting on the wrong choice in spite of intense pressure and a very significant risk that it’ll cost him the election.
The specifics of Cuba has nothing to do with it.
You’re not addressing the central point of my claim and simply restating your initial statement: that the president can change policy
has the power to change bad policy
while ignoring the key difference between Cuba and Israel. They are completely dissimilar situations with vastly different implications. The progressive left --which cares so much about genocide suddenly (forget Yemen, Syria, where more people have died int he last 6 years by an order of 10 than the entire palestine-israel conflict in the last 100 years)-- made up their mind about Biden long before Oct 7. The only way for Joe to pander to their vote is by accomplishing miracles at this point and I think that ship has sailed a long time ago so I really doubt they are the key demographic that will cost him his election.
I don’t know… I see what you’re saying, but does the president not have the power to take a principled stance on the matter? Maybe I’m being too naïve about what’s realistically possible, but ultimately intended policy decisions have to start at the mouth of the nation’s leader.
He needs to firmly acknowledge and denounce the ongoing genocide in Palestine.
Can someone remind me of the last time a U.S. president took a principled stand on some foreign policy issue? Seriously, I’m not just asking this to be a dick. I’m pretty sure things are set up to ensure this does not ever happen.
Biden pulling out of Afghanistan.
Obama pulled out of Iraq.
Biden pulled out of Afghanistan.
Bernie would’ve led Bibi by the fucking nose. He’d have recalled his days in the kibbutz and said that Bibi is burning everything good about Israel.
The president isn’t a king. Bernie would’ve had lot of resistance from within the government, military, and intelligence agencies.
Deep state isn’t just a conservative meme/boogeyman. It definitely exists.
The president isn’t a king
Enough with that ridiculous excuse every time Biden refuses to do things that ARE within his power!
He bypassed Congress by sending many smaller weapons shipments to Israel so that he didn’t need congressional approval and when he halted shipment of 2000lb bombs only, he could have halted shipment of ALL weapons but chose not to.
Furthermore, knowing what they do with them, supplying the fascist apartheid regime of Israel is against both international and US law.
He’s enough of a “king” to keep committing crimes against humanity, but apparently NOT actively breaking the law is outside the bounds of his power 🙄
Bro just vote your way out of it.
There’s not any voting out of having two candidates you don’t like.
Choose a different system
I don’t get to choose one.
Vote for a different one.
Is that on the ballot somewhere? Lol. You’re completely delusional.
Bro you live in a democracy. You have the power to change things with your vote.
You must be young. That’s not how anything works in the states.
Troofs. Yea I’ll hafta vote Democrat cause holy fuck look at what republican means right now(also for as long as I was voting age). And while I want to just throw my vote away and vote third party because fuck both parties… I do live in somewhat important not necessarily decided state. (Iirc pa went Trump in 2016 but Biden in 2020).
I forget the term for it, but fuck that thing that makes political bribes legal in the US. Fuck gerrymandering. And most of all fuck this two party system where both parties are owned, fucking outright, by companies and oligarchs and foreign influences.
The term you’re looking for is “lobbying”.
We tried to encourage the Democratic Party to primary someone else, someone who doesn’t reek of genocide and cognitive decline.
In this thread: Depression and angry, and misplaced comparisons.
This doesn’t change what we need to do, folks. Get Biden back in and use those four years to stay together and fix this bullshit. That’s the goal. I think we ARE angry enough to finally achieve something like it.
That’s what they said last time. I’ll hold my nose and vote for him but I don’t expect anything to improve and I’m not going to stop bitching about it.
I’ve been chuckling about danger since 2016 when the democratic party pushed through hillary and then lost against a clown. The democratic party does not instill confidence (except in their ability to sabotage themselves).
Giant Douche vs Turd Sandwich. Again. USA needs to somehow break free from the 2-party nonsense.
With hindsight 2008 Obama/McCain and 1992 Clinton/HW were the only two presidential campaigns in living memory with decent candidates on both sides.
(Depending on your opinions of Dukakis and whether or not 1988 was in your living memory I suppose)
So the choice is between a senile old man with good intentions and a treasonous, syphalitic crook. And the crook has a non zero chance of winning.
Fuck me, what a shit show.
Good intentions? He’s a genocide supporter - hardly a paragon of virtue
He’s a sweet innocent man who has only ever been a ray of shining light for this country, and he told Netanyahu to stop but Trump said to keep going, so now you have to vote to stop the war in Palestine but you won’t because you’re a bot from China.
When did you get unbanned?
Only 30 day temp ban from the main politics channel. A few more days to go.
These two old people should be at home sleeping, not trying to run the country.
Joe “I’m gonna go take a nap” Biden.
Ok.
Is there another criticism now, or is the one that constantly gets repeated going to continue getting repeated?
Are you really trying to act like Biden’s age isn’t a huge issue? Did you not see the same old man that the rest of us saw?
It’s an issue for both candidates, so it’s moot, and therefore not worth wasting time over. Move on.
That makes no sense. Why can’t we have a younger candidate? Then it would be a huge advantage for us.
told ya. you guys are getting trump.
If the “far leftists” get their way… we will.
you don’t even know what the “far left” wants, do you?
As far as I can see, the communist (the left-right political spectrum is a dumb model) message to America is “some of you may die, but it’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make.” And I understand why they feel this way, but they should not expect us to accept death without even using the meager power over it that most of us do have.
people are already dying man. over in your country and in the middle east and more. your country is already burning books and putting children to work. your fascists are already armed.
the message is look through that pathetic theather that was put for all the world to see. its a mockery at this point, fascism already took power long ago.
if you guys don’t actually say enough is enough things will never stop spiraling, and the longer you wait the harder it will be on everyone.
There’s a difference between “far left” and far left.
there is not.
unless you are talking about revisionists but i doubt you have that much of a nuanced take here.
So in other words, you’re saying the the MAGA bots that are using the far left’s outrage to urge people not to vote against their boy… are identical to the people that are urging people to not vote out of protest to the genocide in Gaza?
That’s quite an interesting thing to admit publicly. I’ll have to change my stance on how I deal with their propaganda from this point on.
you can kick and scream all you want, fascism was never in history stopped by voting.
Cool little anecdote there. Now show me an instance in history where not doing something created desired change?
Strikes don’t count because in this case, NOT voting doesn’t cancel an election.
Been saying this. Biden is not up to the mark at all. Not an American but you can’t count on an old man. I don’t want trump bad comments I know. That’s why it’s important to have a better Candidate. Who selects their Candidates? Im not that deeply educated on American electoral process. Also alienating your opposition is not a good strategy, but a lot of people on lemmy insist on it for some reason. Don’t want a world war, so please do something and get a better leader.
Edit: Apparently i have to also explain that im not suggesting they change their candidate now. That’s brain dead. I do not like trump supporters, i don’t like biden supporters on lemmy. Always so defensive but I understand, that how desperate you are and the situation is.
you can’t count on an old man.
Trump is like 3 years younger. The US is getting an old man no matter what.
Are you sure about that?
It’s not a big deal, there’s a vice president.
Not a reason to not vote against the guy who wants to turn the US into Russia 2.0
Vote my candidate. Because my candidate is good and turd sandwich is bad. You should vote for giant douche guys. Do you want a turd sandwich to represent amercia. Guys vote for giant douche guys. Tyrone my wife’s boyfriend is voting giant douche guys. So should you guys.
A giant douche is useful for rinsing out a rancid twat. Still looking for some reason to keep around a turd sandwich…
Yeah keep joking, joker 😹
