Turn back stranger. This thread is full of people arguing about history and political theories without any clue about either.
Hold my ideology, I’m going in!
Hold my common sense, I’m wading into a political comment section!
Thanks for the warning, but I ignored it and regret this decision.
Will do. Thanks for the advice fellow stranger.
Ha! I’m gonna risk it!
So normal Internet stuff then?
I love that this is on top.
Thank you sir, I shall continue scrolling
I too saw this on top, and I’m going to listen to it! Later guys!
Comrade, I’m doing my part!
Literally going to do just that. Xiao.
ty cya hagd
Remember when he asked the supermodel what the “first five digits of the Pythagorean Theorem” were because haha stupid women? Then he got super owned because he meant to say Pi? What a complete wanker.
Even if that went the way he wanted who the fuck needs to know more than 3.14? memorization is not intelligence
It is, however, what stupid people think intelligence is.
Thank you! Having the skill of a piece of paper and a pen being compared to intelligence is pet peeve of mine.
Not to mention knowing pi beyond 3.14 is useless.
The only pi I need to know is pe-can.
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He must have meant the first 5 digits of the theorem expressed as some kind of Godel numbering. I mean there’s no way he’s a complete moronic cunt, right?
He even got the numbers wrong…he says 3.147 when it’s 3.14159…if it were actually 3.147 you’d likely round 3.14 to 3.15 for the shorter version.
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Haha. I am not familiar with that guy but he seemed to have owned it after he messed up.
I regret looking up the clip: https://youtu.be/jNFOVkB6JjQ
Sorry to say to my UK friends, it looks like these people have no manners when it comes to debating. Asking a question and then proceeded to shout over them. I’m surprised they still have viewers.
No need to apologise as Piers Morgan does in fact not represent the UK, I’m fairly certain that he is almost universally disliked.
Apart from the flag-shaggers and gammons that want someone to “tell it like it is”
Also, seems like he represents the universally existing layer of people that couldn’t care less about moral or ethics
I couldn’t hear half the shit Piers said or any of the other people because he keeps talking over them like a gigantic baby. What a total loser.
OMG it was bad. Nothing understood because of
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Thanks!
Holy hell, It hurt watching that so freaking much.
It was not worth watching it just for that moment. I am blown away at how much he kept saying something with a response being the opposite of what he wanted and then him repeating it. “I did protest Obama” “I already told you I don’t know” “I don’t know the number” dude, I am amazed at her patience with a grown man acting like a toddler that didn’t get his way.
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That’s typical journalism on ITV and Channel 5. BBC has its moments but it’s not as bad. I simply can’t watch news on these channels for this reason.
Here is the video with time stamp of the quote https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNFOVkB6JjQ&t=604
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Do piped videos not support embedded time stamps?
It did work for me
Did you have the video open already? I know in YT the timestamp didn’t seem to work after I already had the video open at a different time.
I must have. Another user reported no issue, so I’ll just put it down to one of those little quirks :)
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Some basic facts about your hero Stalin
Same response applies tbh
I would agree Mr PP Boy, but my self proclaimed communist friend from childhood loved Stalin. And last I ran into him he was reading Maos theory. Guy was 27 years old at that point too.
So for those of us following along at home, you know a guy who believes a thing, therefore you have applied that belief to all people who proclaim to believe a different thing?
As is the way.
I’m not even sure he knew a guy. A lot of people see someone reading something and assume all kinds of wild things.
Exactly! Just because I’m reading volume 27 of “Sheep Fornicators Extreme - Global Takeover!” doesn’t mean I’m into sex with sheep, I just appreciate the skill it takes to draw it so well.
That series gets wild with volume 32 “Sheep Fornicators Extreme - Mars Meltdown” I haven’t been able to put it down
Oh trust me, thus person is very real. My conversations were so frustrating, he was so entrenched in his dogma it was like talking to a religious person.
Source: Trust Me Bro has never led me wrong.
And you chose to believe that was every single communist… I guess that does say a lot.
And his friends. And the people in the Marxist Leninist instances here.
Also, another really smart dude I talk to regularlu, he says he would consider himself a Marxists. Probably not a Tankie, but still says stupid shit saying that the war un Ukraine is the US fault and its a result of NATO expansionist. Which is wrong for so many reasons. And his grandma was a communist China apologist.
Communism is stupid, and the people that follow it are dogmatic and have no pragmatic basis for their “theory” other than their feelings. If it offends go cry about it.
Which is wrong for so many reasons.
Which reasons are most prominent and why?
Communism is stupid, and the people that follow it are dogmatic and have no pragmatic basis for their “theory” other than their Communism is stupid, and the people that follow it are dogmatic and have no pragmatic basis for their “theory” other than their feelings. If it offends go cry about it. feelings. If it offends go cry about it.
Working backwards, I’m not offended, rather amused.
Why did you put theory in quotes? Why and how is the theory stupid? Please give me direct critiques of Marx/Engels work, that aren’t copied/pasted (I’m rusty af so we’re probably starting from the same point).
Communist China apologist? What kinds of things, for example?
How didn’t NATO expansionism continue to, if not cause, the way in Ukraine? Bonus points if you can find msm articles that no one remembers talking about the alarming spread of communism, in Ukraine, before the war started.
I don’t agree with it so it must not be true lol damn like evangelical christians
Have you read anything by Marx?
The answer is usually “I don’t need to.”
Or apparently not replying at all, in this case. My favorite is the Jordan Peterson response, though: “I had over 6 months to prepare for a debate on this topic after decades of claiming to be an expert and showed up to admit I could only be bothered to read his manifesto”
That logic lol. It’s like me saying my american friend read mein kampf and love hitler, thus all american is nazi.
Tbf a lot of Americans are Nazis.
Source: Am American
Even very famous Americans that we try to glorify, Henry Ford for instance.
Yes. Even some “blue” ones.
Henry Ford was just the Elon Musk of his day. An exploitative asshole pretending to be a genius when all the actual work was done by other people.
The Model T was not designed by Ford, it was designed by other engineers. But Ford did at least start his own company, unlike Musk who bought Tesla from other, smarter people.
Henry Ford also wrote a series of books titled “the international jew” in which he spew antisemitic shit and crazy conspiracy theories.
He had his own newspaper to publish anti-semitic ideology. High ranking German Nazis including Hitler considered him an inspiration.
Saying he was “just the Elon Musk of his time” falls on short on how fiercly Ford was anti-semitic, how he systematicall contributed to the ideological framework for anti-semitism and spread it among the Americans and the people in the world.
At what age are you supposed to stop hoping for a more equal world and start cheering on the billionaires destroying the planet? I’m in my 40’s and I might be a little behind.
Stalin and Mao are not the kind of people you follow when you want a more equal world or you’re seriously misguided.
That’s why real lefties don’t defend them.
A tankie is every bit as real of a leftist as an anarchist or demsoc imo. Tankies suck balls, no question. But to say that they’re not true leftists is kinda dumb. A typical convinced tankie well and truly believes that they are fighting for equality and the path towards communism.
Uh huh.
Explain where socialism is best enacted through genocide, imperialism, and the creation of a rigid and often hereditary heirarchy.
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Defeated Hitler.
And a lot of his rivals.
And non rivals.
And civilians.
To be fair… soviet Russia should’ve absolutely steamrolled Germany with even a half decent leader.
Stalin almost let Hitler win by being just about the dumbest fucking leader on the planet. And that includes whatever idiot was leading the French.
Yes because all reds support Stalin, like all fascists support trump. Please.
Cool mustache, terrible everything else.
Hitler or Stalin?
I’m not a fan of Hitler’s moustache.
Both are among the worst humans who ever existed.
I think it looked cute. Definitely worked a lot better on Charlie Chaplin.
Had a cool hat alter ego called rainbow stylin
Outsmarting Piers Morgan is about as difficult as obeying gravity.
getting a word in edgeways is the real problem
Still, at least he is a filthy phone hacker.
When they sacked Clarkson for hitting a producer, I was like: But he also punched Morgan, shouldn’t he, like, get one free for that?
He called him a “lazy Irish cunt” when he punched the producer for not being able to magically produce a restaurant quality steak at midnight.
Idk if you know anything about old gammon pricks, but that wasn’t a simple observation that the guy was Irish.
When did he punch Morgan? I missed that one.
I am amused by the fact that Piers Morgan is so daft that he manages to piss off a guy who fellates his car and bike loving commie hippies.
Isn’t “getting owned” basically this douche’s job?
Piers Morgan blocked me on Xitter, back when I had an account there. It was the highlight of my brief time on that platform.
“Xitter” is absolutely amazing. This is the first time I’ve seen someone call it that.
Pronounced “shitter”
Remember when Piers Morgan came to the U.S. and everyone hated him here too, so he slinked back to the UK?
The fact she had to say it twice. Piers Morgan is a twat.
Morgan is a cancer.
conservatives are really good at arguing against what they imagine leftists to be and really bad at arguing against what leftists actually are
Her “I’m literally a communist.” is hilarious and your statement is spot on.
Obama pretended that flint Michigan’s water was safe to drink.
That alone is enough to show you how much of a scumbag he is
Obama is one of the best conservative presidents.
When the economy was tough he really helped those who were most in need. It all trickled down from there.
Here’s the clip. Go to the 2:30 mark
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Piers is so out of touch, even by American standards
Please tell the world about how awesome communist rule is while in a free democracy. Please let those starving people in those concentration camps in China know how good they have it.
Please go on. Enlightened us.
Communism doesn’t automatically mean authoritianism. And you think China isn’t capitalist? Enlighten yourself bozo.
Lol yes, abolishment of private property and government ownership of the means of production doesn’t automatically mean authoritarianism. How could I forget? To control a government best thing is to give them more power, gotcha. Thanks for clueing me into your logic steel trap dawg
My authoritarianism comment was in refrence to the “free democracy” comment, homie. Sorry if you need those things spoonfed to you. And state ownership doesn’t automatically mean public ownership. China is a real world example of that. Thanks for clueing me into your idiocy, dipshit.
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Oof. I know it’s hard to get educated but it’s worth the effort. I recommend starting with a good encyclopedia. Unless those are simply far right dog whistles in your brain
Communism, political and economic doctrine that aims to replace private property and a profit-based economy with public ownership and communal control of at least the major means of production (e.g., mines, mills, and factories) and the natural resources of a society.
So I looked it up on an online encyclopedia and it looks like communism is public ownership, not government ownership.
I’m not a communist so I might be missing a detail here or there, but this really doesn’t seem like it says anything about state ownership, especially considering the fact that a shorthand definition for communism that my communist friends love saying is “A stateless, classless, moneyless society where goods are distributed from each according to their ability to each according to their need”
Since it seems like you are certain about communism being authoritarian, here is an excerpt from the same encyclopedia (under the dropdown for “what is communism”)
However, over the years others have made contributions—or corruptions, depending on one’s perspective—to Marxist thought. Perhaps the most influential changes were proposed by Soviet leader Vladimir Lenin, who notably supported authoritarianism.
I know many communists love to tie Lenin into communism, but it looks like this encyclopedia indicates that some people think differently about this!
If only getting educated was as easy as a fucking google search, and was almost no effort, instead of speaking out of your ass on something you don’t understand and blind opposition of prevented you from starting with a good ol’ encyclopedia.
China really isn’t. They gotta jump through some wild hoops to do business over there. Apparently the way they exchange value between companies is via some share of inventory for sales or whatever. It’s complicated AF, so I don’t know how to explain it.
Julan Du and Chenggang Xu analyzed the Chinese model in a 2005 paper to assess whether it represents a type of market socialism or capitalism. They concluded that China’s contemporary economic system represents a form of capitalism rather than market socialism because: (1) financial markets exist which permit private share ownership—a feature absent in the economic literature on market socialism; and (2) state profits are retained by enterprises rather than being distributed among the population in a social dividend or similar scheme, which are central features in most models of market socialism. Du and Xu concluded that China is not a market socialist economy, but an unstable form of capitalism.[18]
That’s from a Wikipedia. I’m not going to pretend to have a strong grasp on it but it’s state owned enterprises that function, essentially, as private (separate from government). That combined with production for profit > production for use makes it way more in the capitalist spectrum compared to Marxists ideology. Especially considering their human rights record.
That’s fair enough I guess. They’re trying really hard to not be capitalism though. 🤣
They really aren’t. Try being more attentive to the world.
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Well, it’s not a fair argument but non-communist countries have starved a lot more people to death than Communist countries ever had, but something tells me you’re not really here to learn anything or that you care for fair arguments.
You think that a commune can’t have voting? Well that says enough about your level of understanding. Would you really like some light on the definitions of words, or do you think you’re just bringing some slam dunk “haha commies bad” you learned from your grandpa?
In theory, communism is supposed to be democratic…
Nice talking points 👍👍👍
