• dadarobot@lemmy.sdf.org
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    20% minimum unless the service is horrible. It’s not your fault the servers are paid BELOW minimum wage because the employer expects you to tip. But it nonetheless is the expectation and is the right thing to do. If you can’t afford to tip correctly you can’t afford to eat out.

    To be clear, i think we should get rid of tipping economy, but while it is the norm, you absolutely have to tip.

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      At what point did this minimum change from 10 to 15 to 18 and now 20? Restaurants increase the cost of food items and your tip is a proportion of that. Why would the cost of food increase AND the proportion of tip also increase? That’s double dipping and yeah, people should be pissed about it

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        Because in many restaurants tipping is covering more employees over the same period. Also, COL went up faster than meal price inflation.

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          What does covering more employees over the same period mean? I don’t follow. Also, you’re assuming that customers’ salaries increased with COL and inflation. They haven’t. These policies just squeeze value out of customers. Of course they’re offended

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            So tips used to just go to the worker who got them. But now they go to nearly everyone at the restaurant. Your server has to tip out quite a few other people.

            And yeah we know the rising prices are squeezing value of customers, but those prices are largely disconnected from the staff’s wages. Which is why the percentage has to go up.

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              No, rising prices of menu items increases tips as a proportion. If menu prices stayed the same and you want larger tip %, then sure. But not both. That’s just greedy

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              Is this not even worse double-dipping? Why would a server who makes $3/hr be expected to tip out the rest of the restaurant? That’s the point of being able to pay them $3/hr no?

              Wages being disconnected from company earnings is an even bigger reason for us to insist the percentage NOT go up…

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                Because the restaurant owner can enforce it legally and now they don’t have to pay the cooks/host/bartender as much anymore.

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      Sure, but on the flip side, I’m paying for the service already. It’s not on us to subsidize the cost.

      TIpping was meant and should only be done as a reward for job well done. Not a defacto standard expectation just because you did your job.

      That’s what your pay is.

      NOW, go fight for better wages. Unionize, promote higher minimum wages, be the change you want to see. But sitting here and bitching out customers because they don’t tip is a you problem.

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        It was popularized during world war 2 as an economic and pro business measure. That’s why we have the modern system.

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      “20% minimum” is excessive, I say this as someone with years of serving experience.

      15% for competent but unremarkable service

      20% for remarkably good service, more for truly excellent service

      10% for remarkably bad service, less for truly horrible service

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      Tip is a extra for exceptional service, paid voluntarily on top of the base cost of the service.

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      Some states honor the state minimum wage which is higher than federal and the tips really are just extra. Just so you know, whatever it’s worth to you.

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      It’s not your fault the servers are paid BELOW minimum wage because the employer expects you to tip.

      That’s not the case in canada (obligatory excluding Québec) yet we still have the same tipping expectation.

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      In many places including Washington state servers are actually paid minimum wage of a bit over $16 an hour. We also have pervasive tip requests. I have gone to a restaurant where ordering and drinks was self serve, the employee makes you a hot sandwich which you take to go and the robot which takes your order requests a default 20% tip.

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        If that’s a tablet that comes with the software pre-installed they ask for tips by default because it makes more money for the software company.

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          It’s highly unlikely that a POS terminal software directs tip money directly to the software company. Hopefully tips are shared by staff. Pessemistically they could be stolen by the company. In either case it doesn’t match the normal expectation of tipped service.

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                  Unless something changed recently, Square doesn’t enable tips by default. It didn’t the last time I set one up at least in the fall.

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                    Maybe Square is the odd one out, but a quick trip around Google search says yes it’s generally the default. It can be turned off but why would a business owner do that?

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      The entitlement from servers is horrendous.

      10-15% and if you don’t like it you can have zero.

      Worth mentioning there is a big diff between USA and Canada. US is fucked and I have no comments about tipping there.

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      I only disagree with the “unless” clause. If they’re underpaid and the restaurant is doing it because they won’t be at fault then you should tip that much anyway.

      At the least they will get more money and remember you as a temporary savior for better service next time. The unless clause basically just tells me “dance for your meal, peasant”