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    Fun fact: this is how they separate oxygen, nitrogen, and argon from air. You cool it to a liquid, and the. Slowly heat it back up. Nitrogen boils off first around 77K, then Argon around 83K, then Oxygen at 90K.

    I find this so cool, even though it’s like “oh yeah. Just like distilling alcohol or petroleum”… But… Like super cold…

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    We can also prove its existence scientifically. We can detect by testing for it. We can chemically react it with other elements. There are lots of things we can’t see with our eyes but we know exist through scientific study.

    So far no test for god has been developed. We just have an old book that claims bats are birds to go by.

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      “I’ve begun worshipping the sun for a number of reasons. First of all, unlike some other gods I could mention, I can see the sun. It’s there for me every day. And the things it brings me are quite apparent all the time: heat, light, food, and a lovely day. There’s no mystery, no one asks for money, I don’t have to dress up, and there’s no boring pageantry. And interestingly enough, I have found that the prayers I offer to the sun and the prayers I formerly offered to ‘God’ are all answered at about the same 50% rate.”

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        I really like that scene in DS9 where someone is getting indignant that a race worships some aliens who live in a wormhole and they point out that they know they exist. What use is a god that you can’t see?

    • I almost buy the philosophical argument that there must be a first mover, but I can’t understand the incredible leap of faith people make to have such specific beliefs. Like how did we get to the point of “how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?” and prosperity doctrine wackiness?

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        Honestly, the first mover argument just looks like “turtles all the way down” to me. It explains nothing, because it doesn’t even care to explain this first mover. It’s just one more turtle.

        Hence, if the correct answer is “we don’t know”, we don’t need the leap of faith to a first mover we know nothing about, we can just say “we don’t know” and they don’t either.

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          Same issue with the big bang, since we don’t know what created it. I personally believe that God is the universe. The universe manifested itself…somehow…and to me that makes it as close to God as we can get. I hope that the universe is conscious, and that our consciousnesses goes back into the big thing at the end. My evidence is experiential; an excellent acid trip 😉. I do wonder what atheists experience when they trip…

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            I do wonder what atheists experience when they trip…

            I see patterns and have hallucinations when tripping. I’ve seen doritos logos cover my wall and noticed the patterns in mountains. No you are not talking to God, you are having essentially a waking dream and I don’t attribute dreams, which are your subconscious trying to interpret your daily actions, to supernatural beings. That would be stupid.

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      I thought god was discovered to be a particle in 2012 and he wasn’t very happy with being seen, since he disappeared immediately and turned a lot of his followers into fascists.

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    You don’t actually have to chill oxygen to see it, you can also just blow bubbles underwater.

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        On top of being dangerously cold, it’s oxygen, so it helps stuff burn easily. I might have overestimated the dangers of it, I thought I’d read that it can ignite some flammable materials on contact but I was apparently wrong. It seems like it just makes fires a lot easier to start (on account of there being a lot of oxygen in liquid oxygen)

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          Would it also be explosive just from the pressure difference if it suddenly vaporizes? Though I’m not sure if the thermal mass required to do that would be realistic unless someone dropped it into a pot of water or something like that.

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      This got me an idea. Maybe oxygen is god.

      Assuming that God isn’t physical and is only real, since we create it in our minds.

      Than god can be oxygen since it is necessary for us to live and therefore create god.

      This is a very weird way to explain god.

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        Hydrogen, more likely. After all that was the first macroscopic atom in this universe, and on a long enough timeline, hydrogen starts to philosophize about itself. That’s literally what we are doing.

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        If God was unmeasurable, then God could exist.

        That’s why I am technically Agnostic. But in my heart I know, God was invented by humanity because we are scared and don’t like to not have an answers.

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    The funny thing is that we actually see oxygen, but as a gas it’s so dispersed that it’s almost fully transparent.

    In theory, if you could press enough air into a tight enough volume (like, say, 1 cubic meter of air into a 1 cubic centimeter), you’d get a similar result.

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      I mean, the reason the sky is blue is due to the atmosphere’s effects on light and the fact that it’s not fully transparent.

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        Its blue because of Nitrogen more than Oxygen, considering the relative densities.

        And also, ofc, because of Avagadro’s Number.

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          Yeah, should have mentioned that myself as well. Was not my intention to imply that the colour of the sky is the colour of oxygen.

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        Earth’s atmosphere is also the reason why we see some stars flickering. The light of the star is constant, but our atmosphere creates diffusion, so some of the photons don’t reach our retinas. Technically, if you and your next door neighbor look at the same star, it’s flickering for both of you, but the flickering is not synchronous since position of observation matters.

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        The fact that blue light gets scattered by the atmosphere is due to the fact that there’s just so much of it and not bcoz the atmosphere inherently is non-transparent

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            I’m saying if the atmosphere was smaller, scattering would be less and blue colour may not appear. So the blue colour is not because the atmosphere is “not entirely transparent” like the commenter said, but because there is enough of the atmosphere that the scattering effect is prominent.

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              And yet, if the atmosphere was fully transparent, there would be no scattering of light. The blue colour is an effect of the amount of air, but there would be no colour at all if air was fully transparent.

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                That is funny. According to you, for a medium to be called “fully transparent” there has to be no scattering of light. By that definition, water and air are not “fully transparent”. I’m not sure if such a material exists that doesn’t scatter any amount of light.

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                  Correct. The only substance I can imagine being completely transparent would be some kind of dark matter. Everything else still interacts with light, no matter how little. Even deep space isn’t completely transparent, as we can tell what elements exists as interstellar and intergalactic dust from spectrographs.

                  Atmospheric absorption spectrum - We can see (heh) that the atmosphere is completely opaque to most electromagnetic radiation before scattering. Only some microwaves and short radio waves can pass without any absorption.

                  Atmospheric transmission spectrum - We can see that not even 60% of visible light is transmitted to the surface directly due primarily to scattering losses. That scattered light is why our sky is blue during the day and orange at sunset/sunrise. Mars’ atmosphere is orange during the day and blue at sunset/sunrise for the same reason.

                  The physics of light scattering doesn’t change based on how much atmosphere you have, even a single particle can scatter light. In fact, the physics of scattering is based on single particles, and the particle size is what differentiates Rayleigh scattering from Mie scattering. Other interactions with the incident particle can cause Raman and Compton scattering too. None of these need multiple particles.

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                  By that definition, water and air are not “fully transparent”. I’m not sure if such a material exists that doesn’t scatter any amount of light.

                  That seems to be the scientific consensus, yes. It’s like friction, no material is truly frictionless just like no material is truly completely transparent. The ocean gets real dark once you get deep enough which does seem to suggest that water is not fully transparent.

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      If you did pack all that oxygen that right, wouldn’t the temperature also drop to about a similar level?

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        If i’m not mistaken, that much pressure would actually increase the temperature, something about the same amount of energy being more densely packed. Someone who actually knows physics can certainly explain it better

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          Yes. pV=nRT. If you keep n constant (same number of particles), drop the volume (V) and crank the pressure (p) proportionally, then the only variable left is T, which would have to rise. This is called adiabatic compression. What’s being described is an engine piston the size of the atmosphere and a compression ratio thousands of times higher than what we can normally make.

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    I imagine Rick, pranking Morty by telling him he froze God to -218.8 C and thus accidentally killed him.

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    God is a metaphysic like math. He doesn’t exist, but influences people lives all the same.

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        Religion and science are looking at reality from two entirely different perspectives. Neither can see the whole, so neither is “correct” in their own views 100% of the time.

        It’s like the blind men and the elephant. Neither is 100% correct, but also neither is 100% wrong. They are both useful tools that can allow us to find out what the truth is, provided that is the original purpose.

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          Religion doesn’t do anything to find any truths. It’s just people making wild claims with zero evidence to back it up.

          Science and scientists make claims, test those claims, gather data, and make measurable conclusions about the world.

          They are absolutely not the same.

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            It’s just such a fucking shitty false equivalency to relate the physical to the meta physical.

            Look at Christianity for example, the biggest factor in your choice of religion is where you were born first and who you were born to a close second.

            You see a great amount of similarity, especially inter discipline, but you can find huge differences between states, even cities and counties. People will shop for churches when they move to find a version of the same religion that fits with their preferred style and interpretation.

            That’s inside of a body like the SBC, Roman Catholicism and the SBC are even more different fundamentally. Same books, same dudes tho.

            Scientific models update with research, even if things are difficult to change, they change based on new info. Religion needs to constantly fit it’s ever dwindling influence into the same scripture, you just get to think the words mean different things now.

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            While I agree with your assessment vis claims and observable truths, I also think that religion has to be seen as a kind of naturally evolved and universal system of sense-making in anatomically modern homo sapiens that would not exist did it not serve some kind of selective value in our distant past as a species.

            In other words, religion, or notions of spirituality, wouldn’t be as universal as they seemingly are were it not the case that they played something like an adaptive role in human evolution.

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              No. That is a post hoc justification. The kinda logic that says since nearly every rabbit gets eaten eventually by a predator the predator must be doing the rabbit a favor. Just because religion is near universal does not mean it exists to serve us. It could easily just be a selfish meme and we are it’s food.

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        I believe history would be that evidence. Since Asura-Mazda to the present day, almost all societies have believed in a god of some form. Whether that god exists or not is functionally irrelevant. The fact that humans seem to base their societies on an external power does seem significant to me. Where you follow Asura-Mazda, YHWY, Jehova, Allah, Baha, or any other God seems to work for us, until we run into some sort of other belief system, but the basics are all the same. We need to focus on our similarities, instead of our differences. All people have the same basic goals and ideals. We’ve all been working for hundreds of thousands of years to make it so our children will all have a good life.

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          Those that spoke out against religion were killed or punished. Those who used it were rewarded. Those who followed it, were either sent to slaugher members of different religions, sacrificed, milked for coin, or forced into submission by the scary make-believe hell.

          Religion works because it gives people something in common, soothes human fears, and sets forth rules to abide by.

          It was useful, once. We don’t need it any more